wt calls jesus both to suit their needs.. i believe the wt is wrong in calling jesus the lowliest one of mankind.
they do this to apply a greater fullfilment of the prophecy at dan 4.. two scriptures are cited to support the lowliest man stance they use, matthew 11:28-30 and phil.2:7,8.. at matthew jesus states he is gentle and humble in heart.
at phil.2:7,8 once again jesus humbled himself making himself nothing, taking the the nature of a servant.
You are right, about this difference:
I think humbleness is a quality you aquire (especially when the person is great)and lowliness is what station you are at in life.
Let's see. Humbleness is also lowliness but, lowliness is neccessarily humbleness... Ahh, I think, I get it..
i have been researching revelation 9 and have recently come to the realization that the jws are claiming in their own literature that they themselves are the locust horde coming out of the abyss spoken of in revelation 9 and they are also claiming that their king is abaddon the king of the abyss who they say is jesus.
in their old literature they used to say the abaddon is satan and now they have done a flip flop and say he is jesus!
this is just amazing to me that they would say this.
Hmm..Interesting thread.
Abaddon means Destroyer, right.. And locusts are irritating things..But the locusts have gold crowns on their head..They were given power to kill and torture.
Thinking it must be God's servants, who are the locusts..and that they could be working for God in the great Tribulation to do the exposing and discovering work, with the "elements of the earth being on fire". So, the angel of the abyss couldn't be a bad guy. In fact it must be Jesus.
wt calls jesus both to suit their needs.. i believe the wt is wrong in calling jesus the lowliest one of mankind.
they do this to apply a greater fullfilment of the prophecy at dan 4.. two scriptures are cited to support the lowliest man stance they use, matthew 11:28-30 and phil.2:7,8.. at matthew jesus states he is gentle and humble in heart.
at phil.2:7,8 once again jesus humbled himself making himself nothing, taking the the nature of a servant.
Dan. 4: 17 NIV " The decision is announced by messenger, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men."
Phil. 2: 7, 8 NIV "But made himself nothing, of a servant, being made in human likeness, And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death, even death on a cross."
Math. 11:29 NIV "Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for you souls."
Hello Moom,
I believe that humble, and lowly is the opposite of haughty and proud. Also that Jesus was humble and lowly, like you said, out of choice. Nebuchanezzer was haughty and proud and God had to bring him down, and make him low. Don't you think humble means lowly.? I'm thinkin' so.
it really amazes me when people say that the watchtower rules or controls people.
i heard on the news that the vatican issued a statement calling for a .
boycott of davinci code movie and book.
What do they call themselves? GOVERNING BODY
GOVERN in my dict.. 1. The control the actions or behavior of; guide; direct
2. To make and administer public plicy for a political unit; exercise sovereign authority in
3. To control the speed or magnitude of; regulate
4. To keep under control; restrain.
5. To decide; determine
Is the word GOVERNING BODY, a word found in the bible. NO! Rather, it says, our only mediator is Jesus and the only foundation of our faith is Christ.
"holy spirit".
just what is "holy spirit?
i know what jws say it is; "gods active force" that does things god makes it do.
Okay, how about a serious answer?
I think the God's active force has always been with the earth and the Good people, but Jesus said that the 'spirit of truth' was something he would send down, after he got up to heaven and that it couldn't come down until then.
So, the God's active force and the 'spirit of truth' are actually 2 separate things.
Could the 'spirit of truth' or the 'helper', 'comforter' be from God and Jesus, when the active force is from God alone?
this is a jw friendly version of one of farkels posts that i plagarized.. it's useful to send to jw,s who are clueless as to why they can not have facial hair.. .
there was a falling away from the bible students after the disappointment of 1914 and the death of ctr in 1916.for the first approximately 10 years during his leadership of the bible students, rutherford would laud and praise ctr and even stated that ctr was leading the movement personally while being "beyond the vail"( from the heavens after his death).
so for a time the judge actually promoted remembering ctr to retain followers.
This is the most blatant use of power and control, that WT has. Or should I say the most obvious.
They are jackasses, with Rutheford leading the way...
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david, hoping you are okay?
after that last thread..i thought someone wasn't being nice.. to you.
David, hoping you are okay? After that last thread..I thought someone wasn't being nice.. to you.
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has any one ever brought up for discussion, the line of thinking between charlie manson and the dubbs, in that they both believed in a apocalypse and that they would be the only ones to survive or rule after the end
Hello Dr. Kilroy,
Well, now that you mentioned it, the similarity is great. Piles of dead bodies, everywhere, and the anointed are supposed to help.
The JW book, A Grand Climax is at hand says, on P. 52, para 18.
To those Christians in Thyatira, Jesus now speaks heartwarming words. They also encourage anointed Christians today: "And to him that conquers and observes my deeds down to the end I will give authority over the nations, and he shall shepherd the people with an iron rod so that they will be broken to pieces like clay vessels, the same as I have received from my Father." Rev. 2:26,27. Indeed a wonderful privilege! This authority that anointed conquerors receive at their ressurection is a sharing with Jesus in yielding the "iron rod" of destruction against the rebellious nations at Armaggeddon. At best, the nuclear firepower of those nations will sputter like a wet firecracher when Christ dashes his enemies to pieces as he would vessels of clay.
My God, haven't they ever heard of symbolism! Geez, Jesus is the prince of peace.
Is. 11:4 NWT And he must strike the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the spirit of his lips he will put the wicked one to death..
Doesn't sound like piles of bloody dead bodies here. But rather, a war of words..
i have been reading his work at the e-witness web site.
http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/index.php .
he seems to have trouble with some of the wts teachings, yet he seems to still call himself a jw.
I've had lunch with him, as he lived right near me, in Michigan. He's had an anointing experience, and recognizes the 'golden calf', that the WT has become.. but still thinks, the WT is God's org. He is desperately trying to be a prophet, by writing his book, which I have. But, we all have to figure out our own truths, now.
some have unaffectionately referred to us as the borg, the brooklyn organization.
but i don't see that as a bad thing.
consider the borg.
Good day!
You said:
In the same manner, the Watchtower sends out the same instruction
for us to assimilate and then to adapt to it so we can have defenses
that will protect us.
What about this scripture ?..
I John 2:26 NWT "these things I write you about those who are trying to mislead you. And as for you, the anointing that you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to be teaching you; but, as the anointing from him is teaching you about all things, and is true and is no lie, and just as it has taught you, remain in union with him."
Respectfully, we don't need instructions from anyone but Christ Jesus and God, as Christ is the 'mediator between God and man'.
